Curse

The Ernada · Dec 08, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30

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Originally Posted by birdfoot

Makes me wonder sometimes why such folks keeps answering to these 'ranting' posts. Even when the whole lot tries to explain through their 'somewhat negative' opinions on why they are feeling increasing negativity about the game, children like the former just won't take the latters' word for it and keeps on responding with the same type of answers.

Your post is confusing and vague. Are you saying that it's okay to scream at Anet for being lazy even after Gaile has explained that reconnects are NOT easy to implement? So instead of exercising patience, we should all hurl insults?

koolaid677 · Dec 08, 2006, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by Sooty

I am a hardcore guild wars addict and never thought id say this about a future guild wars expansion but I honestly don't know if i would buy it the way im feeling at the moment. Aside from playing through the main storyline which I find fun and entertaining, ANET has taken away everything else that made me keep playing. Namely 55/135 etc farming (which can still be done in limited areas granted but it's just not the same) and chest running. These two things were pretty much what I did once I'd played through the storyline a few times. Chest running was my social activity with my guild and other random chest runners you'd meet up with, and farming was what i did when there was noone around to chest run. At first my guild was solely a chest running group, we recruited far and wide since but i've noticed that the old guys who were on every day chest running etc are the ones who aren't on very much these days. It's funny how such a small change can make such a big negative impact on some of us.

I'm on my 3rd char through the nightfall storyline and I'm just not that into it now. There's not a lot else to do that I personally find entertaining. Green farming was fun for a while, made a ton of gold but even that's old now. Domain of anguish is good to have but it's more of a challenge activity, something more likely to frustrate than entertain.

Perhaps i'm in a very small minority that feels this way but imo the things that made guild wars fun once you'd played through the main story of a chapter and were waiting for the next one, just aren't there now. So I find myself logging on less and less.

I agree 100%.. I used to play through the game a few times and then chest run and farm with buddies..

I am the one in the group that would open all the chests and my buddies where the broke ones checking the gold chests. But it was fun for us, and now its just not the same. With the randomized chests and the inscribable items its not very fun anymore, the rare 15^50 is gone.

I will buy the 4th chapter. Just to see

MerLock · Dec 08, 2006, 06:42 AM // 06:42

I'm planning on buying. Loving guild wars since chapter 1. My only gripe is that I wish they made Nightfall more replayable. In factions I had the will and it was fun to level about 5 professions through. Nightfall is just too long and too much of a grind. Nightfall seems to be fun the first time through but can't imagine playing all my toons through it.

Wish they made heroes to be unlocked for the account instead of by toon. Just set them to the same level as your current character. Upgrading each set of heroes is kinda of a pain.

MrTwisted · Dec 08, 2006, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Some great points being made here so far...

buying chapter 4..hmmm

I play PvE mostly its the most fun for me as I like to play in a relaxed way that I enjoy. I PvP sometimes but PvE is what has me spending most time in game.

For me its like this, chapter 1 was great new fresh loved it to bits. Online, multiply, meeting ppl, great fun!
As second chapter drew closer I couldnt help thinking if it has as many outposts and missions in it as the first chapter then real players will be split, say 50-50 (ok figures are out a but but you get the idea). When chapter 2 came out players moved across and as expected it got harder to get groups in towns. As chapter 3 drew closer the same feeling and yes its just the same but now the split is 3 ways so to speak.

I think partly that while the chapters are stand alone games they are not dragging in new players in the way a stand alone game would as it is seen as "part2" or an expansion by some. Sort of I dont have part one so wont get part 2.
So the numbers playing are pulled from other chapters. This is not good for a multiplayer game. Basicaly each chapter isnt pulling in a whole new load of players but is stretching the exsisting players out more. Yeah A net get the sales but a lot of this comes from existing players who move across and thats part of the issue.

Heros.
A major upgrade/addition was Heros and wow what an improvment these guys are great over normal hench, Anet did a good job on them overall ok they still need fixinga bit but.. wait a mo... where as b4 ppl didnt want to take hench and would wait and form groups they just take heros instead now.
I not saying that hores are a way to fill gaps or hide the lack of new players but that once b4 you would get 8 ppl in a group now there are 2-4 with heros and often (as posted) solo with hero and hench, nobody is asking for groups anymore. I stand around in towns asking but get little or no reply after a while I have to do like others and hero/hench up.
A great idea but again its killing the multiply part of it, its not that I want to take them but everybody else does. Yes thats their choice but why did they buy multiply if they arnt going to and why did I put my hand in my pocket for multiply game when now I cant multiplay?! (I could when I bought the damn game).

In short it seems we have the same or slightly more players as we have always had but now spreadout thinly or taking heros, thus limiting multiplay (a reason for getting the game in the first place for most).

Accounts.
If I have 1 main account (all 3 chapters on it) and Im the only one that plays the char in it, why do I have to do things over and over again for each one?
With all the changes that are being made to the game and new chapters being added with new features, new items and new classes something is going to have to give. As there isnt enough time in the day to do everything over and over.
We cant change primary class and thats fine, but most ppl want to have the option of playing most of the classes at some time or another. unfortunately as so much needs doing on each char they cant, someone already pointed out the Lightbringer issue.
Once the game has been played through once with a char the option to have the things the player has learnt should be tied to an account rather than that toon, I dont want to have earn and learn it again and again thats no fun. After all its the person playing the game there is no real reason for things not to be account wide. Heros spring to mind (end equiping them).
I no longer intend on bringing all my chars into and through all 3 chapters (9 slots) this would be crazy and way to much time to get everything I wanted on all ect.. Ive given up on that idea.
Basically I think that Anet needs to look at what its doing by releasing new chapter+2 classes in the way it is atm. Somethings need tweaking/changing b4 its to late and ppl start going else where. Small things like making somethings account wide so players dont feel like they are grinding them over and over for various chars. As I said I have 9 slots and like to play diff classes from time to time but the way things are going I just cant timewise or goldwise and this saddens. I dont mind buying other chapters if I can play them but it is getting silly.

I have a whack load more stuff I want to say but wont, AI, storage, etc not rants just the way it is effecting game and its future (ie chapter 4).

*takes a mo to read back*

hmmm.. I dont want to drag the game down or sound like Im moaning which is what it is starting to sound like. Its not intended it just feels like the original game is being lost and sliding away..

Believe it or not despite what I have said so far I love the game.
Chapter 1 Awsome
Chapter 2 felt like I had been robbed

(seems a lot of ppl feel the same) drab boring to much push on PvP style.
Chapter 3 great comeback with fresh ideas..

Once chapter was complete I used to do suff in spare time nothing hardcore a little farming (not as fun anymore) some runs hear and there (not as fun anymore) get some greens (not as fun) and just chilling out by jumping in random PUGs and helping ppl for no reason other than that >> helping ppl...
The worst for me is the loss of this and the feeling I got from it. I cant remeber the last time I did that as Im spending all my time trying to progress chars, this saddens me most.
TBH thinking about it most of my chars I no longer use now Im down to 3 (others used for storge of odd items - which is wrong but thats cos we are stuck with the same storage space as having one chapter, but I wont go into that).
B4 ppl jumpin with aww he cant farm/make money anymore.... I dont have any or realy wantmore so it has nothing to do with it. I just want the fun back (for the record I have no shards, amber, ectos highend rares, i dont 55, 105, 135 or whatever they are. I just like to play I have one 15k suit on my first char and everyone else is in 1.5k with about 20k in total gold - tbh most of what I get is given away).

Its a shame but what was once a great good fun multiplayer game is now getting thin on the ground for players... becoming as someone said a single player game with chat.

Will I still buy chapter 4? Well...
I got 2 chapter 1's (1 for me and 1 for my son)
then bought 1 chapter 2 and cried a bit (didnt get a second copy and my son uses a sin on mine and I still feel robbed).
I bought chapter 3 and on its strenghts may even get a second copy of it to add to my sons account so we at least can play NF together.

I will likely get a copy of the 4th chapter to see it, the game has lost a lot of the good bits that held me. If I get it its with the understanding that the way things are going it will no longer be a multiplayer game but a single player with little bits of multiplay in it, much like now but it will be with players split 4 ways.

I wish they would put a stop on chapter four, lets face it its only going to make things worse still if the other problems are not resolved and work on/fix issues with whatis in place so far in chapters 1,2,3 this would give time to play and enjoy more with the possibility of others joining to repopulate perhaps.

Toll Booth Willie · Dec 08, 2006, 07:34 AM // 07:34

IF they go back to a prophicies ch1 format I could give you a definet yes but as of now I'll wait. From my guild/friends the majority agree that Ch1 was the best. It was just so open, in an example it was like GTA then Factions came out and they went to a Mario world linear gameplay.

I just feel the freedom of C1 has long gone and been replaced by gated areas, the new AI is worse than any of the many mmo's i have played in the past, hero system has destroyed co-op game play, outpost are silent and with 3 maps many areas are vacant. Most mmo's are based on community and anet is working to ruin what little one existed. My friend list is nearly empty because most my friends were farmers/runners. The non-stop nerfs also is dumb (don't post that stat about more buffs, cause MOST buffs are insignificant while MOST nerf are significant)

I think its a safe predict C4 sales to be way down from nf. (just my estimation based on in game friends who are frustated or quit, also it is getting harder for new players to enter the game with so much game play to buy and complete) This is baring any major changes from Anet to gameplay/design.

Westofeden · Dec 08, 2006, 07:46 AM // 07:46

I'll buy the next chapter . . . I have yet to get bored with this game.

Perynne · Dec 08, 2006, 07:49 AM // 07:49

I'll definitely get chapter 4. I'm a casual player who likes to play things thoroughly and have fun in the process so I haven't even finished Nightfall yet, but I'm already looking forward to the next one.

In my opinion Nightfall is harder than the last two, but when you think about the fact that most players have already finished Prophecies and Factions and are looking for more challenges, I think it makes sense. Having the same level of gameplay with missions that are about the same difficulty throughout the three campaigns would just make things boring for anyone who owns all three of them. Changing things and trying new stuff is how a game evolves - not every player will like the changes, but most will adapt. Also, Nightfall isn't TOO hard, all the missions can be done with heroes and henches.

If you want to solo, play with henchies/heroes and tweak their builds until it works. If you want to play with other people, join a guild or build up your friend list by doing missions with others. Guildies are wonderful at helping out when you want to do a mission that is nearly deserted, and you can help out other people there at the same time.

Also, with no monthly fee for users, where do you think they get their money to develop the game further? Guild Wars store probably doesn't even come close to funding a big project like this. No new chapters to sell = no income to keep going.

Omega X · Dec 08, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

I think that I'm gonna wait and see.

The Heroes system is what made me jump forward on Nightfall.

But if there aren't any serious gameplay improvements then I will have to abstain from buying it. It would be the same old game all over again.

Same deployment of a disjointed continent, same mundane skills with similar or lack of visual appeal, Same ol lvl 28 monsters in a 12 creature deep mob, 20 missions, half that they skim from PvP. AND an "elite" area that a lot won't care for.

I'm sorry but there is only so many times you can serve that meal until people get sick of it and start craving for something else.

arcanemacabre · Dec 08, 2006, 08:18 AM // 08:18

I'm going to come right out and say: Maybe. To be honest, these three chapters offer so much for me to do (dare I say "too much"), as a casual player, I'm satisfied for now. Honestly, I was satisfied with Factions, even though I didn't like it that much.

Thing is, after Nightfall, I don't really see much point in buying more of the same. Even if the next chapter had an Auction House, reconnects, etc etc etc everything we've been asking for, it will still be same old Guild Wars. There needs to be seriously big changes to make it something else and worth buying. Until then, I got three chapters worth of stuff to explore when I'm bored and feel like playing it.

The saving grace and major selling point of GW, no monthly fees, might just also be it's downfall. I hate to admit that, I really do, because it's what makes me love GW so much. I know that after three chapters, I feel that I've got enough of GW to play it anytime I want, with no obligations including not having to purchase more chapters. I've got 10 classes, 3 continents, tons of missions and quests, thousands of skins/items to hunt for, etc. Why do I need more?

What would make me buy the next one? Make it a different game. You can keep the basics: 8 skills, 200 Att points, lvl 20 max, the GUI (radar, etc.), hell even the classes are fine. What we need is everything else different. I'm not sure how it needs to change, but overall gameplay has gotten old. What we need is next generation GW. We need GW2.

dronex · Dec 08, 2006, 08:23 AM // 08:23

Depends ... if they remove the stupid heroes ... i prefer to play with real ppl its way fun and heroes/hench is booring ... i rather buy some singleplayer quest.

Ellington · Dec 08, 2006, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Lately, Guild Wars feels more and more like an ongoing beta test. Most of the "cool new features" Anet has rolled out to keep the game fresh have come out half-baked, and replayability is going down.

Will I buy Chapter 4? It depends. Most of the problems that have come up since I started playing aren't fixable at this point, but I'm not looking for a magic bullet. If it looks like fun, then yes, I'll buy it. If it looks like another rushed product with some poorly implemented gimmick thrown in to sell copies, then no.

Dalimoor_Kalkire · Dec 08, 2006, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by Ellington

Lately, Guild Wars feels more and more like an ongoing beta test. Most of the "cool new features" Anet has rolled out to keep the game fresh have come out half-baked, and replayability is going down.

Will I buy Chapter 4? It depends. Most of the problems that have come up since I started playing aren't fixable at this point, but I'm not looking for a magic bullet. If it looks like fun, then yes, I'll buy it. If it looks like another rushed product with some poorly implemented gimmick thrown in to sell copies, then no.

This is how I see it too. I've been playing since it first came out, own all the chapters, and finished them all more then once, but if chapter four is just another continent, with just more quests, monsters, and missions, I probably will retire this game. It's getting dreadfully repetitive in my opinion. I want to go back and fight in Aspenwood, do quests in Sorrow's Furnance, and run around just for fun in older areas, but it's as lively as a graveyard sometimes.

I came from playing seven years on Ultima Online, and I still think they had a great idea with that game. If only it didn't get so unbalanced and full of hackers. I really miss the community aspect that it had that Guild Wars doesn't. Times when you can talk to fellow travelers on the road to town, or have a character that does more then just fight, fight, fight.

Guild Wars has a great idea here, but the community is broken. We travel to towns at will, and fight in a solo-oriented land. It seems the more and more that is added, the more and more I am forced to play with NPCs and Heroes because I have nobody to quest with, to PvP with, to help with a mission or bonus completion. The player base is stretched paper thin in various areas.

While Guild Wars is right for some people, but I don't think it's my cup of tea. I think this is one MMORPG that I'll have to hang my boots up on. Though, that hinders on what chapter four brings to the plate. I'll keep my hopes up and raise my glass in anticipation. Cheers.

manitoba1073 · Dec 08, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

Its best to ignore barking dogs since they are the most harmless-in forum terms: Dont Feed the Troll

Hope this helps birdfoot lol.

glad i'm not the only one that has that feeling. seems like its the same type of posts under a different name.

as of now i will probably buy chapter 4 for one account. alot of the things i found fun just isnt that fun anymore. wont say what they are. as when you mention the word people seem to jump the troll wagon on it. lots of the changes have made things far more difficult for the casual players. i made warnings how things would be affected on certain changes, thank god a very few didnt happen, but most have.

Gli · Dec 08, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

No, I won't be buying the next chapter, because every chapter after Prophecies lacked sufficient enjoyable and repeatable PvE endgame content.

In Factions, there's the storyline, and then there's the elite missions. Elite missions that are drawn out and boring start-to-finish-mop-up-every-mob-and-maybe-if-you're-lucky-get-a-green missions. Boring.

In Nightfall, there's the storyline, and then there's the Domain of Anguish that I can't bear to look at and has the most uninspired and boring gameplay ever to hit a Guildwars chapter.

They hit the nail on the head with Prophecies, with areas like the Underworld, the Fissure of Woe and Sorrow's Furnace. Those are fun areas you can visit on a whim, spend just a little time and do just a single quest, or spend all night and clear fully. These are the places me and my guildies have been taking our Factions characters, and now our Nightfall characters. Not the godawfully un-fun elite places of later chapters.

I felt this way when I played through Factions, and now that DoA has gone live, I feel the same way about Nightfall. Both campaigns are only good for playing multiple characters through the storylines, if you're not into the mindnumbing drudgery that are the elite missions. And even though I like playing through the storylines, I expect more from a game, especially after they set a very high standard with Prophecies.

Thallandor · Dec 08, 2006, 09:00 AM // 09:00

I agree with both Omega X and arcanemacabre.

As it is atm, i have 9 PvE toons with 3 continents to explore and play in with just around 3 hours a day on weekdays at most to play and its looking awfully busy i must say lol.

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Originally Posted by dronex

Depends ... if they remove the stupid heroes ... i prefer to play with real ppl its way fun and heroes/hench is booring ... i rather buy some singleplayer quest.

Well its almost impossible to completely remove heros at this point and infact if they were to introduce a new chapter that can be linked to our past chapters, it is almost inevitable that Heros mechanic will be supported as well and new heros from the new chapter would be featured as an option as well.

People play with Heros and hench because they can and want to. How/Why do you force other people who dont want to play with others?

Pre Hero times:

1) Hencies: You dont have a choice, Henchie AI is still quite limited

2) PuGs: Some good some bad. Remember the complaints about playing a class that forces you play a cookie cutter build or become an "unwanted" class and forced to play the game with the sub par AI hencies, see (1).

Please try to remember why Heros were introduced in the first place before complainting about why no one wants to play with you nowadays. Because WE CHOOSE TO. No one is putting a gun to our heads to play with Heros and hencies. If anything, perhaps it can be said that its rather sad that most players these days prefer to play with themselves rather than with others.(Pun not intentional lol) This is a human flaw not the game's. If anything, Bad PuG experiences in pre Hero times was probably what triggered the problem in the first place.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

glad i'm not the only one that has that feeling. seems like its the same type of posts under a different name.

Dont worry you are not delusional, it is as you said.

Mentor73 · Dec 08, 2006, 09:03 AM // 09:03

Yes, will buy it. 2 copies: one ce and one regular.

Love the game, still fun and so much to do. And no time to do all.

Regards

Sir Rade Kokoska

Anarkii · Dec 08, 2006, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Yeah I'll buy it. But whether I actively play it or not would depend upon how the upcoming mmos shape up - Vanguard, Lotr, Warhammer...

Kook~NBK~ · Dec 08, 2006, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Don't know if I'll get it or not. I'll base my decision on how the preview weekend goes (assuming they have one for it). I didn't enjoy the factions previews that much, but bought it anyway - I could've done without it. I did enjoy the Nightfall preview, and am enjoying it rather well.

Then again, if someone comes out with a good FPS in the next little while, I may opt for that instead.

Cherrie · Dec 08, 2006, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Im not sure yet myself.
I enjoy GW pretty much but I don't like the way it's going... The farm/grind stuff, increasing imbalance... I hate the way farmers/grinders are actually rewarded now (titles affecting gameplay) and the fact that owning more than one campaign doesn't give much of a bonus to your new-campaign characters and.. well a lot of stuff. Dunno. I will have to wait and see what's the next chapter going to be like.

**cosyfiep** · Dec 08, 2006, 10:16 AM // 10:16

hm, lots of 'ifs' for the next chapter.
but I like to sit on the fence (have a padded spot there now).
I wasnt impressed with factions and thats the team that is doing chapter 4, strike one.
I also have 8 toons that I play semi regularly....grinding thru another chapter with them doesnt sound like lots of fun with the new ai, strike two.

on the other hand.....my hubby may want to get the next chapter, if he does I will as well......however, he has more recently become a bit bored with the game as well.....ball one.
If the content is more slums or desert I will wait and see, if the content has better scenery then I might get it, ball two.
If some of the gripes people have are finished I might buy it, but seeing as anet doesnt see these problems as things that need fixing, they probably wont change, ball three.....

the count is two strikes and three balls......the next pitch will decide if the game makes it to first base (I buy it) or strikes out and I continue to play what I have already completely paid for-----a solo player game that I can team up with my hubby to play.
unfortunately the next pitch wont happen until baseball season again so it will be a while....I can wait, my fence spot is quite comfortable.